9 Responses to “∫∫∫ Fountain Cooling”

  1. Maeve January 17, 2011 at 8:56 pm #

    Very interesting, thanks for the post.

  2. Dev January 28, 2011 at 11:40 pm #

    Great post and fun question. If the fountain is actively spraying water in the air, would the velocity of the water be added to the wind speed? Also, if drops of water are in the air, would that increase the surface area of the fountain?

    • brenden January 29, 2011 at 12:13 am #

      Good question: yes! The velocity of the water shooting into the air should be added to the wind speed (vector addition since the wind velocity is horizontal, whereas the water velocity is vertical), but that would only happen if we were including the effects of the spraying fountain at all. As it is currently approximated, we’ve pretended the entire fountain was a still pool with a replacement rate of 400 gpm. Adding in the effects of the water column would increase evaporation and hence cooling capacity, but given that we do not know the thickness, height, or speed of the streams, this seemed difficult to model at all accurately. We’ve opted to be conservative instead.

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  5. Matt January 17, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    This evaporative cooling technique brings up the interesting idea of dual-use applications. In this case, the aesthetic value of the fountain could be added as a wanted side benefit to the heat transfer purpose.

    It’s important to remember that this cooling approach requires an understanding of humidity. This is similar to the reason why Houston heat feels much worse than Phoenix heat. At the same temperature, it’s harder for our bodies to reject heat in an environment with higher humidity. Likewise, the efficiency of this cooler will depend on the relative dryness of the local climate.

  6. Bryant January 25, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    For your conduction of heat into the soil: 1) Why did you omit the thickness of the concrete as I thought you need to divide that into your equation? 2) Why did you not take the soils thermal conductivity?

    • brenden January 25, 2012 at 10:00 am #

      Hi Bryant,

      Good questions.

      1) The thickness of the concrete does matter, and we included that in the U value for the concrete. Had the concrete been thicker, we would have used a lower U value. Had it been thinner, we would’ve needed a higher U value.

      2) For the soil conductivity, we’ve made a simplifying assumption here: we assumed the temperature of the soil touching the fountain base was constant. In real life, the soil immediately touching the concrete would slowly heat up, and we would then need to dump heat from that soil into soil farther away. We’ve ignored this effect and essentially assumed infinite conductivity in the soil. In the case of the fountain cooling, the dominant cooling mechanism is not conductivity through the base but evaporation from the surface, so this assumption is not super important in the overall calculation. If you are concerned about this effect, use a U value of .18 instead of .2 for the concrete to be a little more conservative.

      Best,
      Brenden

  7. Zim May 24, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    What would be the effect of say making this a waterfall and blowing the air through the falling water. Say if you had the water pumped to the second floor and use a duct fan to draw cool air from the fall like a swamp cooler?

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