19 Responses to “∫ Taking Sustainability to Quantitative Heights”

  1. HMS January 24, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    Awesome article! I think you’re right on in looking at the cost and overall impact of a product from a holistic view vs. just looking at face value. I’ve had to re-train myself to take this approach over the past few years, but I definitely think it’s worth spending a little time doing.

    Additionally, great point about comparing energy ‘reductions’ vs. energy ‘efficiency’! I think a lot of people see these as synonymous, but good to outline the difference.

  2. matt January 25, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    Haley,

    I think you make an excellent point about reductions vs efficiency. Simply because a motor, lamp, or HVAC system is running “efficiently” does not necessarily mean it is the most cost effective or environmentally friendly approach. Sometimes it requires stepping back and analyzing the entire picture.

    Thanks for reading!

  3. TWG January 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Thanks for explaining the light bulb debate! Looking forward to more articles that can clarify the numerous contradicting articles on these subjects!

  4. matt January 29, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    TWG,

    This is just one example of how thinking holistically can reveal hidden benefits or tell a more accurate story.

    Thanks for checking out the blog.

  5. WN January 30, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    Great article. Your light bulb comparison provides a good example of how the economics of an item goes beyond the cost at the store. There are both economic and environmental costs of the energy used. Society needs to think beyond the price tag and recognize the long term costs associated with a purchase.

    • matt February 1, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

      Excellent points WN. With a simple LCA approach, it doesn’t even need to be a ‘society’ decision. It can simply be a personal decision to save money or improve the local environment.

  6. SJU February 1, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    So what if we include the probability that I drop and break my CFL light bulb in an absorbent part of my house multiplied by the cost to have an approved contractor clean it up? Probably outside of the boundaries of my LCA, eh?

    But then again, how many mg of mercury are in a can of tuna?

    Heard some mixed stories on this. Matt, can you clarify?

    • matt February 3, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

      That would be an acceptable addition to an LCA – it’s certainly important to think of End-of-Life and disposal issues.

      In terms of the CFL dropping and breaking in your house, according to Scientific American the situation can easily be remedied with minor cleaning and airing out the house:
      http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=are-compact-fluorescent-lightbulbs-dangerous

      To put your mind more at ease, the amount of mercury in your average mercury thermometer is 500-700 times greater.

      Thanks for reading!

      • Tom February 6, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

        FYI Mercury thermometers are in the process of being phased out for exactly this fact:

        http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2011/02/25/mercury-thermometers-face-final-phase-out

        However, I think one crucial point, not specifically mentioned in your article is where the mercury ends up. From the CFLs, assuming few breakages, the majority would end up in either landfill or, better, being recycled. In contrast the mercury from power production (i.e. coal) is released into the atmosphere, where it may have a greater environmental impact.

  7. Seth February 4, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Great article! I really enjoyed reading it.

  8. THI February 4, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    This article is really interesting. It is well written, well explained, and overall, provides a global vision about what sustainability means. What I liked more is that through an everyday example give you a holistic vision of a complex concept: efficiency Vs. reductions. Another important idea expressed in this article is the real ecological cost of a product that is beyond of the superficial information that the people know.
    Finally, I would like to point out that, as you probably know, some European governments are trying to introduce low consumption light bulbs via subventions, to reduce the high purchase price of the product. This article would be very useful for educational purposes.

    • matt February 6, 2012 at 9:52 am #

      THI,

      You bring up a good point – it’s often difficult to internalize the ecological cost of a product purely with the label. It usually takes some effort to quantify the impact, and an LCA is a solid approach to do so.

      Thanks for pointing out Europe’s attempts to influence the purchasing of low-consumption light bulbs. To me, this seems like a reasonable attempt to represent the holistic cost of the product upfront.

      Thanks for reading!

  9. Kent February 6, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    An illuminating article, ah-HAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for putting numbers to the debate.

    I bet if you changed the title a bit to be more descriptive of the topic of CFL vs Incandescent you may get more readers…

  10. Tom February 6, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    On the pure CFL vs. incandescent debate (which is not necessarily the point of your article), it would be interesting to add in the third option of LEDs.

    In general I think you have a good point, that quantitively analysing the options can improve the choices we make, but I’m not sure that without regulation forcing companies to add this info to their product packaging or adverts this can be done in a way that will really aid consumers to make the best choices. Most companies main goal is profit and to sell their product, and as a result they will highlight the plus points from this analysis, and go easy on the cons. For example, though one company might happily quote numbers that are positive to its product, they would likely ignore the negative aspects and vice versa for a different producer. So when you go to the grocery store looking for bulbs, whose word do you trust?

  11. matt February 7, 2012 at 7:30 am #

    Tom,

    Your comments are well said. I don’t think there is enough agreement yet about the framework of LCA’s to implement formal regulations, but several voluntary standards from well-known entities such as the ISO (http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_14000_essentials) have helped move the discussion towards that goal. Imagine being able to read the LCA carbon or PM10 level right next to calories on a box of cereal.

    Thanks for your comments, and keep on reading!

  12. martha February 10, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    Thanks for the article! I was pleasantly surprised to see that you take human toxicity from mercury into consideration, since it’s difficult to quantify its effect on human health or the environment, but is still important. I always just thought of CO2. I would be interested to see a different and possibly more complex example of LCA with a less-clear winner to see where some of the tough decisions are made.

    Also, this method is very dependent on the goal that you set. In your example, you picked lighting a space for 6 years. If the choice were lighting a space for 1 year, you may have come up with the incandescent bulb — better for the company paying for the lighting, but not better for the environment. I think this touches on the point that Tom makes about needing regulations, since the nation as a whole might be the only party with a large enough scope to really make decisions that will impact the environment.

  13. matt February 14, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    Martha,

    Thanks for reading! You bring up some excellent points. Life Cycle Assessments are particularly good at tracking material, pollutants, or energy, but making the connection to human health or environmental impact is one of the next frontiers in this area of research.

    Another challenge with Life Cycle Assessments involves establishing the boundaries of the study. You’re right – using 1 year or 10 years will likely result in different impacts or costs. The IPCC has a similar issue with quantifying the impacts of climate change. This is why it is appropriate to run sensitivities and capture a range of outcomes.

    I disagree that the ‘nation as a whole’ will be the best/only clearinghouse for LCA decision making. Large corporations and companies progressively use forms of LCA’s for long term strategy. For example, life cycle costs have become the de facto method to price projects via a Net Present Value calculation. Additionally, companies today need to think about how EPA air regulations impact their long term strategies.

    Thanks for reading!

    Matt

  14. Ateeq July 9, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    This is a very interesting article and I like the comments been left with regards to his article. One point I want to make is that while these initiatives are great, we must remember than often education is a the key difference. Coming from a third world country myself, I do not think of the difference between the emissions between the two bulbs, but more along the lines of what will cost me less over the course of the bulb. Perhaps we can account for the geographic and economic factors when performing this LCA analysis.

  15. Abby July 23, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    Great article! Working on the homeowner relations/education side for a solar contractor, we definitely try to push energy efficiency and conservation measures in conjunction with solar power so our homeowners can maximize the benefits from their pv systems. Analyses like these help to make my job easier, so I have facts and figure to use when talking with homeowners.

    Just as something else to consider, change based on these ideas and numbers can also come from policy and legistlative level. In this case, California is removing higher cost options at the point of manufacturing:
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/20/business/la-fi-light-bulb-20110120

    Not to say we need can solely rely on policy everytime we want change, articles and analyses like these help to educate at the point of consumption. I think when used in combination with policy, truly integrated mangement of our energy consumption is possible.

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